L O N D O N : B Y : L O N D O N
12.04.06
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BAD PENNY
I think LbL needs to have a word with those wannabes at the
Penny. If you read their opening gambit you know they've never
heard of The People(i.e. us)'s own living breathing website /
e-newsletter LbL! "You thought you were living in the coolest,
most progressive city in Europe, if not the world, and all the
while you were being duped. London has been lacking one essential
component for true city living - an all seeing, all dancing
alternative weekly newspaper, or alt-weekly as our American
cousins would have it. London is ashamed." The Penny go home!
I'm not even going to put their domain address in here in case
you think I work for them and am trying to get some free PR.
Fakers.
- Hairy Leper
[Oh, Hairy Leper, we know you mean well. And thank you. We
appreciate your loyalty. But the fact is, you've got it all
wrong. And your timing couldn't have been better... - LbL]
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GOOD PENNY!
Hi LbLers,
We're writing from The Penny, London's new alternative weekly
newspaper. We've just published our pilot issue which some of you
may have seen floating around the city. If so, you'll know that
it contains the first instalment of a regular column by our good
friends at LbL.
If you haven't got hold of a copy yet, you can check out our
like what you see then we'd be happy to send you a FREE copy of
Issue One the moment it's published, just send us an email to
address and we'll do the rest. And of course, we won't pass on
your personal details to anyone - promise.
Being huge LbL fans, we'd love to get more LbLers involved in the
paper.
First we'd really like to hear your suggestions of places we
might make copies of The Penny available. Obviously we've got a
huge list of bars, restaurants, pubs, offices and the rest lined
up to distribute through, but we're sure there are hundreds more
that we haven't thought of yet. Send your ideas to
Also, to keep The Penny free, we're looking for London-based
businesses - large or small - to help pay the bills through
advertising. Issue One will be going to 36,000 people so it's a
great way to reach discerning fellow Londoners - the type of
discerning Londoners who read LbL, for example! For more info,
prices and all that stuff - email Savannah at:
There have been loads of posts in LbL over the years bemoaning
the lack of a decent alternative paper for London, so we're
really pleased to finally be getting one off the ground. Again,
it'd be fantastic to get LbLers involved in whatever capacity. If
you think you can help in any way please give us a shout at
Cheers!
- The Penny
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PLAGUES
To the driver of a white J reg Transit type vehicle with a fitted
rubbish cage who smashed into my parked car last Sunday at 7.45
pm in SW18 and then drove off without stopping, causing about
£2.5k's worth of damage to my car... a thousand plagues on you
and your driving. May you suffer all the misfortunes you can
imagine. People like you should not be allowed to drive on the
road and as for your cowardice in not stopping...
Enough said and rant over but I will lose my no claims and have
to pay my excess so generally not a happy chappie.
- Bo Tocks
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BEST OF LUCK
I've been in London for 10 years now, and I keep on going to
supermarkets and accidentally it seems that they are all
frequented by a big smiling black man chanting at the top of his
voice "Best-Of-Luck" So far it's been Camden, Finchley, and
Muswell Hill... Just who is he? And how come he wishes everyone
the best of luck.. and does his wishes come true? Oh and is he
following me around, or am I following him around? So many
questions, and so much intrigue. Any knowledge from you
Londoners?
- kitesurfer
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JOGGING - CLOTHES
I'm observing a new trend on my jogs around the streets of our
lovely capital. It's runners dressed not in classic spandex or
even comfy tracky bottoms but duvet-style protection against the
elements. I'm talking about the lady in a lovely angora /
cashmere-type cardigan jogging in Kensington Gardens (where
else?); the chick with the dashing pashmina on top of otherwise
standard jogging gear circling the Serpentine, and the girl on
the South Bank running in a knee-length jacket (bravo - surely
quite a challenge!). I know it's cold but surely running heats
us up a bit? I write in admiration - if I tried something similar
my face would be the colour of a boiled tomato. Just wondering
it's some new and groovy running club? If not they should start
one.
- feeling a bit underdressed in my lycra now
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CYCLING - NAKED
Last year 250 people cycled naked around the busiest streets of
London on a Saturday afternoon in June. The purpose of their ride
was to protest against oil dependency and celebrate the body (and
bike). Shoppers were astonished, tourists were baffled, and
Police... supportive! This year the numbers are expected to
exceed 300. This is the largest naked protest in British history.
On Thursday 8 June, see the premiere of the London World Naked
Bike Ride film (at the Barbican Cinema). On Saturday 10 June,
join nearly in a protest taking place in nearly 100 other
or phone 0781 458 7361.
- NakedBikeRide
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RECYCLING
Recycling (nothing to do with cyclists, promise): can anyone tell
me why you can recycle cardboard and plastic down at the dump in
Richmond (yes, it is London, well, Greater London, OK?) but
neither is collected in the door-to-door service? Also, why can
you put any paper, including envelopes, in the general paper skip
at the dump, but have to separate out newspapers, while in the
door-to-door collection, newspapers can go in the same bag as
other paper, but they won't take envelopes? Or am I being naive
in thinking that the stuff does in fact go for recycling?
- Heavens
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OYSTER FLAVIN
Went to the Dan Flavin exhibition at the Hayward last week and
noticed in Time Out that tickets were 2 for 1 with an Oyster
card. It wasn't advertised in the gallery as far as I could see
- and can't see any mention of special concessions on the
Oystercard website - but thought I'd spread the news in case it
applies to future exhibitions at the Hayward (Flavin exhibition
finished last weekend). Nice one Ken - hopefully a few more
places will get in on the act too.
- shazza
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RE: DUCK
'A while ago there was a huge organised pillow fight outside
St Paul's Cathedral. Has anyone heard of another one being
arranged? I don't want to miss out this time!!!' - Phoenix
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In response to someone's post about the Pillow Fight that took
place in Saint Paul's, one happened a few months back in Covent
Garden. Hundreds and hundreds of people gathered together and
took part in this great event. I captured the whole event on
film. The "mobile clubbing" events are organised by the same
person as well as the "circle line party". These strangely
wonderful events take place in many different forms all the time.
Has anyone heard of Urban Gaming where the city is used as a
landscape? I'm trying to get a documentary made on the subject.
Have already produced a super-short doc on the topic of Pillow
Fight Club. If you want to keep in the loop about these events
- Elias
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RE: JOGGY
'A friend and I were strolling down Brick Lane yesterday
evening (Tuesday) in search of a comforting boyfriend-dumping
curry and were suddenly assailed by a man jogging by yelling
"Oggy, Oggy, Oggy!" at the top of his voice, followed in hot
pursuit by 30-odd other runners. On rounding the corner we
found another flock (herd? shoal?) looking hot and slightly
confused. Any ideas as to what this might be? We wondered
whether it was a New Labour style hunt minus fox, hounds or
horses but am pretty sure the 'fox' does not normally try and
draw so much attention to himself. Quite clearly they were a
bit mad to be running around in the cold and rain in March but
there you go.' - amazon
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The collective noun for a group of joggers is actually 'a
hernia'. I believe. Or 'a futility'.
- Bo Jaxx
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Amazon - the lead runner was me. I'd just been dumped by my
unfortunately-named girlfriend, Oggy. The others were following,
Life of Brian fashion, because they had read symbolism into my
mania and because, if you noticed, I'd dropped a gourd en route
and was only wearing one sandal. Etc.
- Keyworker
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The runners were probably part of one of the many informal-ish
"Hash Harriers" groups of runners who get together each week
for a sort of paperchase run and then a few drinks. A "hare"
lays the route (with false bits) beforehand and everyone else has
to find and follow it. There are groups all over the world but
London has quite a few itself. It's a great way to see the city.
There's a website, which I've forgotten - you can Google it
though, as people on this website like to remind us.
- Jorge Jim
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I don't know for sure, but you are describing something that
sounds like the Hash House Harriers. The Hash is a cross between
a normal running club (i.e. involves running, though, crucially,
not racing - getting home first is frowned upon), a rugby club
(no rugby, but lots of drinking and stupidity) and the Masons
(branches everywhere and thousands of people involved, but if
you're not one of them you'll almost certainly not know it even
- part-timer
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RE: NOWHERE NEAR LONDONY ENOUGH
'Hello LbL, you are being spookily mind reading today! I was
thinking I must ask LbL where I can have my engagement party
(yes I got engaged! Yeahy!) and then come across the exact
same question. Then I read someone wants to know where to pee,
and think about replying that I discovered this weekend (on
the way to Hatton Garden to see diamond rings) that the
Wetherspoons in Holborn is good, but you beat me to that too!!
I'll never get published if you mind-read like that - stop it!
And I HAVE to post so I can mention I got ENGAGED!! (on a
surprise trip to Venice!) Hah, I got it in after all! Fab!
Congrats on your union gettingmarriedinthemorning & good luck
with your bustin bladders the rest of you. PS I'm REALLY
EXCITED! Hope not too boring for rest of you - don't be mean
to me for not being Londony enough...' - FabSal
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FabSal - whatever medication you're on, let me know.
- Mamfer
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RE: FASCINATING
'Back in the early eighties, my friend Kevin and I were
strolling across Vauxhall Bridge and the metal gate on south
side left was open. We explored the steps leading to the shore
and found a door in the wall of the bridge which was hanging
off. A small flight of stairs led down. We went by the light
of matches down a long way, to find a further passage leading
in both directions. We proceeded another ten or fifteen feet,
ran out of matches, freaked and legged it back up. It really
freaked us at the time. But I'll never forget it.' - eltel
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That's quite spooky - is the gate still there?
- Ginja Ninja
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RE: BLOODY GMAIL
'I get my weekly LbL delivered to my Gmail account -
occasionally I get towards the end of the mail and I see...
[Message clipped] ...thus frustratingly ending my read
prematurely!... Is it me? Gmail? LbL?....' - iSleepDiagonal
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'In response to Gmail clipping messages, the best way to get
the full version is not by clicking "View entire message" like
iSleepDiagonal found out, but by first clicking "More Options"
at the top and then clicking the "Message text garbled?"
link. This pops up a new window with a scroll box with the
entire LbL goodness. It also has the side effect of being able
to read it without the Gmail ads down the side. Enjoy.' -
dalore
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Hurray! This worked a treat. I can now read all my old clipped
LbL mails. Thanks also to Griff who helpfully suggested I was
doing something wrong and that he was just OK thanks. His idea
about setting the conversation size to 100 had no effect,
incidentally. Also, I have yet to receive any dirty pictures from
LbL.
- iSleepDiagonal
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RE: ART
'I have to say, I'm quite liking the art that's at Gloucester
Road station these days, really nice and bright and makes me
smile. Shame I only go past it once a week though.' - Niddle
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'There is some similar work in the cafe on the 7th floor at
Tate Modern - this work is by a Brazillian artist (name
escapes me) - you also get a great view of the city and can
have tea and cake too.' - lovelyisntit?
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- roobydooby
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RE: LAUGHING SPANIARDS
'My mates from Valencia have just left after spending an
excellent weekend here... they thought it hilarious that art
galleries and museums are free, whilst you have to pay to
visit cathedrals and old churches, whilst in Spain it's the
other way round. I'd never thought about it like that, but
they have a point - we do do things a bit back-to-front over
here don't we? Or is it they who are back-to-front....' -
Mestalla
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'I was under the impression that, in Madrid, for example, you
get charged entry to museums and galleries if you are a
tourist but not if you are a Spanish citizen. I'd be happy for
London to operate a system like this although it might be hard
to police it....' - Randy Alexander
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With regard to the admission fees charged for museums and certain
churches, here in NYC it's the same all over the city. You can
walk into any church for free. Church concerts or organ and choir
recitals usually charge about $10. Same price for everyone
regardless of age or if you are handicapped in a wheelchair.
Museums and the Planetarium, charge $1 to $12 for adults,
students pay half price and children under 12 enter free. Seniors
always get a half price discount to most places everywhere
including movies and public transportation, but not to the opera
or the bigger, better concert halls. A good orchestra seat at the
Metropolitan Opera costs $200. You can hear an opera or a concert
for less if you are content to sit in the upper balconies. At the
Met these cheap balcony seats are given fancy names like "The
Diamond Horseshoe", "Pied a Terre", and "The Family Circle". No
matter how you slice it you need binoculars to see anything.
Thank goodness the acoustics in places like Carnegie Hall and the
Met Opera are superb. In response to one other thing regarding
the use of the toilet facilities in places like McDonalds and
Burger King, here they are a convenient place for the homeless
and "street people" to relieve themselves and wash their
encrusted bodies, then sprawl at a table for several hours to
pass out. They are never asked to leave and no one can sit
anywhere near them for the ripe and redolent odors they emit. I
was once able to sit and enjoy a coffee in the a.m. but now
steer clear to rather buy my container of Joe and drink it on the
hoof. BTW I love LbL and take great pleasure in it each week.
There should be a photo section where subscribers could submit
their pics. Anyone agree? Londoners who want to talk to a native
(I lived in Brighton for a time.)
- Jayman - NYC - USA
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RE: SPENDING PRIORITIES
'...In 2004-5, authorities (central and local) spent £4.4bn on
local roads and £5.5bn on local public transport across the
country. What was spent on the NHS? £75bn. So, you can't
divert the money from empty buses or roadworks to the NHS, and
even if you could, it would probably make bugger all
difference!' - Busmonkey
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£4.4bn may of been spent on local roads in 2004-5; but how much
of this was spent on speed bumps and other ingenious traffic
controls, and how much was spent on repairing pot-holes?
Certainly in Wandsworth a fortune has been spent on speed bumps,
but the same roads are covered in pot-holes (that actually work
much better to reduce traffic speed... oh maybe that's why
they're not repaired...)
- Pot holed
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THE LOVE/HATE BALANCE
Actually, I don't mind it at all when someone comes up with
something completely inane like our good friends Tim and
MuswellHillBilly. What gives LbL its appeal is a combination of
great tips, advice, curiousities, wit, and last but not least
different viewpoints. Even when they are made by wankers. Keep
the hate coming - but only in a nice balace with all the other
things I've mentioned above. We've had this debate before. If you
don't like a section of LbL, scroll down. Just like I do with
sections regarding Jazz or dancing lessons.
- Bored
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RE: BREEDERS
'To the parents of little nippers. There is a time and place
to let darling Mollie or Tristram practise walking. Crouch End
Broadway on a Saturday afternoon is not it. Out my way!' -
yummy non-mummy
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'Does that level of tolerance apply to other slow movers, like
older people, wheelchair people, crutches, short people. Shut
up and cross the street. If you're so late, you should have
left earlier, darling.' - yummymummyyum
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'Old People and the infirm have no choice. Breeders obsessed
with their offspring do. Take to your back garden or a park.
We non-breeders have to shell out on tax for your little
darlings as it is. Why should we have to fall over them while
on our way to earn it? No offence like.' - Cas
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'...I would suggest that somewhere a little less hectic than a
busy street would be the place for walkies. Now, get outta my
way!' - The Envoy
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'You know, we ALL have a right to be there and to be treated
with respect. But I tell you this, if anyone trips over my kid
because they're not taking enough care or believe they have a
right to trample over those who are smaller than them, they'll
have my fists to answer to.' - Peter, Wimbledon
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'Nuff said I guess, but just wanted to point out that when
yummynonmummy and Envoy want to retire it'll be my four kids
paying huge amounts of tax so that the state can give them a
pension. Because by then there will be very few earners paying
through the nose for a majority of retired people who will moan
about how low their state pension is - so be nice to my kids! If
you don't breed your own, they'll be your pension! AND they'll
already have me and their father to look after!
- definitelyyummymummyoffour
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'Envoy says he 'would suggest that somewhere a little less
hectic than a busy street would be the place for walkies'. So
he's saying then that streets should be chidren and parent-
free zones? Because when you come down to it, where the hell
isn't busy in London? If we kept to the Envoy's dictum, that
would place most of the south east off limits to parents of
small children. Usually I'd just fume to myself on
thoughtless, pin-brained posts like this on LbL, but really,
have a little common sense. And Cas - if you reach a ripe old
age, which I have to admit to wishing you don't, then these
'little darlings' you're so eager to keep off the streets will
be the ones wiping your arse and spooning gruel down your
feckless throat. Bah!' - Highbury Gal
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That is a pathetic attempt at wit, Highbury Gal. It may have been
slightly funnier if you hadn't ignored the first part of my post
and then concocted points to respond to. At no point in my
"dictum" did I say or imply that any streets should be children
and parent-free zones. My simple suggestion would be to not let a
tottering child wander around a very busy shopping street. Would
you let an unsteady toddler loose on Oxford Street on a Saturday?
Would you, Peter from Wimbledon (I'll get to you and your fists
in a moment)? I think not. To say that every street in London is
comparably busy to Crouch End Broadway on a Saturday is utterly
idiotic too. Really, have a little common sense. I used to think
you were funny and bright, based on previous posts. Now I think
you're a snide little twat trying to make yourself sound funny.
Now Pete, where did I say I didn't have kids and didn't respect
those who do? Much like the other idiot who took umbrage, you've
inferred totally incorrect facts from my post, which was meant
light-heartedly btw, and then proceeded to feel victimised by it.
You hit the nail right on the head on one aspect though. We ALL
do have a right to be there and to be treated with respect, not
just you and your brood, or me and mine. If that means me slowing
down (which I said I would happily do in my first post) or you
carrying your child or pushing him/her in a pram for a while,
then so be it. What happens if it's not me who falls over your
tumbling tot, and is instead an old lady who shatters a hip or
worse, just because you feel your right to respect transcends the
rights of others to not be tripped up in the street? Are you
going to lay in to her too, to prove what a good father you are?
It's compromise and common sense, and I feel mightily sorry for
you, your kids and Highbury Gal if you can't comprehend a basic
tenet that would make living around so many people that much
better. I think that most LbL'ers are like myself in that they
understand this concept of compromise, manners and respect, and
that they have, and exercise, good common sense. Unfortunately,
you two don't seem to. Idiots. Finally, to sleepy fred: Everybody
has balancing issues when they're tripped up, that is what a trip
is, being caused to stumble or fall. See all those mean things I
said about the two idiots above? Feel free to assume that they're
also meant for you, you arse.
- The Envoy
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'...Cas, what 'choice' would you like us to exercise - should
we drive everywhere? The pavement is for everyone - be nice
now. (Though don't get me started on hefty 5 year olds being
pushed around in buggies...)' - sleepy fred
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Oh dear, rather touched a nerve there didn't I, and I took sooo
much care to assure you I meant no offense. Although I find
wishing premature death and infirmity a little harsh. It worries
me that Highbury Gal should be in charge of a PC let alone a
minor. Valium perhaps? Also, you don't have to worry although I
appreciate your concern, I have enough money to pay for care
should I ever get to that stage, unlike your offspring I suspect
as you have so much ambition for them. I really don't think
care homes pay that much.
However, I digress, as usual people who are overprotective are
missing the point by a million miles, Envoy and myself were not
attacking children, in fact I adore them and in turn my nephews
and nieces are all very fond of me. It's people who can't see
beyond the (and I can understand to a certain degree, when it's
not being shoved down my feckless throat) the cuteness of their
kiddies, and are blind to anything else. And c'mon, I'm sure
you can remember the time before you had them and what that was
like? And Sleepy fred, I don't think I've ever bragged about
paying taxes. What's all that about? Why would I? What a very odd
thing to say.
Anyway, nice talking to you all.
- Cas
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I've so got the solution to the "shall I try not to fall on top
of your sprog when it walks into me on the escalators at Canary
Wharf" question. It's "why don't you all fuck off?". I think it's
going to solve a lot of these issues and hopefully stop the
rather wilful banter that's been passing back and forth between
the "I've got a job and I'm so busy that nothing should stand in
my way, not even decent every day civility to my fellow
man/woman/commuter/infirm/elderly/pregnant lady, I shall display
zero tolerance to anything that hampers my mission to get from A
to B as quickly as possible without dislodging my intense frown"
brigade, and the "I've got a child and it's so FRAGILE and so
DAINTY and look! It can walk - and look! It's walking right into
you, oh that's so adorable, oh look you've fallen over and broken
your neck but never mind, because Flora/Nicholas looks so cute in
those clothes!" bunch. The beauty of the WDYAFO proposal is that
it doesn't take sides. Distributed with equanimity it's available
for use when afore-mentioned sprog is being cute and absent-
mindedly stroking my fluffy coat at a pedestrian crossing (aw),
to when the child is ziz-zagging erratically though a tube
station in rush hour, picking its nose, crying, and getting under
people's feet whilst its Mum juggles Pampers and mobile phones.
And it's flexible, it doesn't have to be solely applied to this
particular debate. I think it would work quite well in most areas
of strenuous and aggravating debate - particularly those where
you know that neither side is ever going to understand or make
concessions to the other. I think it's genius. Lots of love and
cuddles.
- Pokeyozo
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I must admit to getting a wee bit irritated when stuck behind a
veritable army of little people, accompanied by stressed-out
parents toting giant pushchairs... but I tend to mentally file it
under 'Just One of Those Things'. Everyone has the right to use
the pavement, & if I'm in such a big hurry I can always cross
the road. Or run down the middle of the road, or whatever.
What's really shocked me about this debate, however, has been
the vitriolic responses of the 'breeders'. You have to wonder
what kind of example they're setting their kids. Wishing someone
a premature death because they said they find small children on
pavements annoying. Proudly announcing that anyone who might
accidentlly bump into their child will receive a beating. What a
beautiful generation they must be raising... makes me a Not So
Happy Cat.
- HappyCat
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RE: RECEPTION
On the subject of phone/radio reception through tunnels you can
get a full reception going through the Dartford Tunnel but if you
go through either of the smaller tunnels on the north side of the
M25 your radio cuts out straight away. You can also get mobile
phone coverage on the underground platform of the Viccy Line
(just not too far down). Or if you really want to use your mobile
underground you could move to New York where the entire subway
has coverage.
- Pauly
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'Shuddering down the lift shaft towards the Piccadilly Line at
Russell Square station recently I noticed the top of my right
leg vibrating, indicating a message received on my mobile
phone. Nothing completely out of the ordinary - I presumed
this communiqué had gasped through on the last wisps of a
dying signal. Yet I was surprised to be able to reply
successfully at the bottom of said deep lift shaft as the
doors opened. It was only when I actually reached the
northbound platform that my phone indicated that the signal
was out of range. And this wasn't a peculiar one off, it's
happened time and time again. But how can this be? Even
descending a mere few steps into the ticket hall at my local
station (Seven Sisters) is enough to send me incommunicado...'
- dead_elvis
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You were probably being bluejacked. Bluetooth works underground.
It's great! But it's not great when people use it for nasty
scare-mongering and stalking. But it is switch on and offable if
you want to avoid that kind of thing. xxx
- abbylee
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I quite often seem to get emails on my Blackberry whilst actually
sitting on the train when passing through Clapham North. And on
the odd occasion I've whipped it out in time (my Blackberry that
is), I've been astonished to find I have as many as three bars!
- uberrich
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I suspect there is a transmitter very near/directly above the
lift shaft at Russell Square. This would mean you get good
service until you put so much rock and stone in the way by
heading to the platform. Funny actually, I've taken to reading
LbL on my phone in the mornings... I'm even composing this post
at - eh - St James' Park, District Line Eastbound. Don't you love
gadgets? Does anyone remember a post - probably last year - about
TFL installing cell transmitters on the Victoria line? I'm
fairly sure I wasn't dreaming... What happened to that plan?
Please tell me they ditched it!
On a side note. I met Sparky 'of' LbL about a month ago at a
random pub/party in Notting Hill, so hello there! (Although I
guess this is a bit like waving at your Mum from behind a BBC
reporter...) It's me, Mum! Are you watching? Hey! It's me,
Mudge... Oh dear.
- Mudge
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RE: LONDON BOOKS
'I've just been looking at the Get London Reading website and
wondered if any of you had favourite "London" books you could
recommend?...' - KK
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'The Calligrapher', Edward Docx: saucy novel of seduction,
womanising, love and come-uppance in our summery capital,
including trysts at the Tate Modern, the canal boat trip from
Camden and some dodgily recognisable local pubs, etc. Also a
splash of John Donne to lift the tone. Excellent summer-park-
with-wine-frippery reading. Will make you want to shag.
- stella
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'The Borribles'. Can't remember who by but a trilogy for children
about gangs of forever young children who roam around London.
Brilliant even for adults.
- sibslock
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Try and of Ben Richards' earlier ones: 'Don't Step on the Lines',
'Throwing the House Out the Window', 'Silver River'. Great
descriptions of London, particularly walking through Columbia
Flower Market, hungover first thing in the morning on your way
home...
- LondonAbroad
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GLAM PLACE
My mind still stuck in the 70s and 60s. I wonder is there any
Club or Pub with Glam Rock shows, also fitting decorations (nice
colourful) and/or live band activities? When I was in Camden and
Chalk Farm a year ago I heard a few good bands in Barfly Club,
but missed that Glam Rock style a lot.
- MB
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RE: STAPLES PLACE
'My mum and I have been arguing this all weekend. Staples
Corner. Was it named that because there is a Staples
stationary shop there, or did the shop come after? Please help
us. It's driving us insane!! Many thanks.' - Chicken and Egg
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At last that's one I can answer, my dad use to work for the
company. At the sight of the current Staples store (formally the
B&Q blown up by the IRA bombing of Staples Corner) was the
factory for a bed manufacturer called Staples Beds which was
opened in 1926. In those days the "corner" was a simple cross
roads between the North Circular and the Edgware Road and as time
went on it became known as Staples Corner because of the factory
that was sited there for almost 60 years. The current flyover set
up was not finished until 1976 and had to be built to deal with
the traffic from the M1. Check out their website for the full
history:
- I'm so sad to know this!
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According to the authoritative, yet laugh-a-minute "Brent
Heritage" website, Staples Corner was named after Staples & Co
(the well-known mattress makers) in the 1920's, some 6 decades
before the first Staples Office Superstore was opened in May 1986
in Massachusetts, thus bringing to life the "concept of the
Office Superstore" as they put it themselves. So I guess that
means you or your Mum got it right, and the other's credibility
is shot to pieces, at least for a few days. Within the immediate
family circle. I'm now trying to think of other examples of
London places whose names businesses have hijacked, or could try
to hijack in this way. Can't think of any funny ones though.
Sorry!
- My Left Foot
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Pedants corner... 'Stationery' is spelt with an 'e' when
referring to pens and paper products. I have always remembered it
in this way: 'ER' is the Queen's insignia as it appears on post
boxes, hence 'stationery' and not as in a stationary car!
- G
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- Russ
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RE: POLISH PLACE
'What neighborhoods, in London, are primarily Polish? Do they
tend to be upscale now, or are they poorer areas? And what
would these neighborhoods have been like in the 1960s-1970s?'
- Alexandra
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I heard that there are quite a few Polish people living in
Ealing. And have you been to the nice Polish bar behind Holborn
tube?
- PopC
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Hello, American. Balham has one of the biggest Polish
communities. There's a church (the Kosciol Chrystusa Krola) and
club called the White Eagle Club on Balham High Road. I used to
live just round the corner - it's a very nice area; like many
places in London, a bit glum on the main road but delightful once
you step into the residential areas. Rough location is shown on
- iSleepDiagonal
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There's been a big Polish influx in my area (Colliers Wood)
recently to the extent that there is now a free Polish language
newspaper available outside the tube station, that has the byline
'If you don't speak Polish don't bother' underneath it which
always makes me laugh. I dunno about any enclaves though, I just
think a lot more have come over since Poland became part of the
EU.
- Clefty
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There's a big difference between the Poles who came over after
the war (most without remotely choosing to), and those who are
coming now. The ones of today want to earn money so that
eventually they can return to Poland, and so move into poorer
districts such as Brixton or the outskirts like Uxbridge, as a
temporary measure. The traditional Polish districts would be
Ealing, Hammersmith (and the places in between: Chiswick, Acton,
etc) and Balham. There are many Polish shops in west London (with
Polish products even ending up in Turkish and Iranian ones).
- Marmaduke
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There are a lot of Poles where I live in Shepherds Bush,
including a four floor house full of students next door
(friendly chaps, always say hello, always seem to be new ones
too!) There's a few Polish delis around too, so I guess there's
more of them about. Dont know any more than that tho. PS. Would
be more interesting to the lot of us if you told us why you want
to know??
- FabSal
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Quite a lot of west London is becoming a partially Polish area
these days - there's a Polish cultural centre in Hammersmith,
occasional Polish grocery shops dotted around, throughout
Hammersmith / Chiswick / Ealing and a large Polish Catholic
church just off Ealing Broadway (which packs in huge crowds to
weekend services!) I've also spotted cafes, lettings agencies and
free newspapers tailored to the Polish community around all the
above-mentioned areas.
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